Christianity - Extraterestrial religion

klaatu · 06-06-2009, 02:26 PM

Judeo-Christian religion is an alien implant religion on Earth?

I was always in wonder how religion is saying God is in you then says you are a sinner and you need to fear God. I need to fear and obey what is in me? Confusing thoughts ...

As we can see around us this Universe is the all can happen Universe. If this so, then probably God has meant it like this.
Then all "bad" things on Earth are the result of our choice to do harm, violence or not to intervene when bad is happening. It may also happen that we don't understand / know that a bad thing is happening.

And when I say bad thing I mean violent, fear, constraining ...
We might not know that is not good to think that someone will be our savior and we just need to go to church and pray to be assured a front place in resurrection or other big pay coming to us from this savior.

I am not saying either that religion is evil- live (mirror words

) but that some part of it or interpretations can stop our evolution , or lead us not to enlightenment but to mind slavery.

Or we need to keep mind open and to judge by our self also. Judgment so open you can admit at some point that mind is probably a pour tool for enlightenment but only one at our disposal for the moment. (I think intuition is far more effective like having the right answer even if not all the variables are known)

Quote:

One of the most sensational ideas of the Gnostics is that Jehovah, the Father God of Judeo-Christian religion, was an Archon, an inferior or imposter deity not to be confused with the true Gods, called Aeons, who inhabit the cosmic center (galactic core). Jehovah is said to be blind and mad, a demented alien who nevertheless has some god-like powers.
Although he does not create the world we inhabit, he believes that he does.

"Opening his eyes, the chief Archon saw a vast quantity of matter without limit, and he became arrogant, saying, 'It is I who am God, and there is no other power apart from me.'"
(The Reality of the Archons, NHC II, 4, 94.20).

Of course, this is exactly what Yahweh-Jehovah says in the Old Testament. Over and over again, the Mystery teachings preserved in the NHC presents a view of Judeo-Christian religion that turns it completely inside out.

Fortunately, the Nag Hammadi cache, meager as it is, contains quite a lot of clear information on the Archon God and his insidious tactics. In the Second Treatise of the Great Seth, an unnamed Gnostic Master says,

"The Archons devised a plan about me to release their error and their absurdity."

This line recalls Jacque Vallee's pithy comment on alien strategies in Messengers of Deception:

"The way to a man's belief is through confusion and absurdity."

The text cited explains how the Archons induce a false plan of salvation into the human mind, a counterfeit of the true path of self-liberation we can take by developing our innate potential of Nous, "divine intelligence." The Gnostic teacher, called Phoster or Illuminator, openly ridicules Abraham, Moses and the prophets for accepting the Archons as divine and putting faith in an imposter god who works against humanity.

The Second Treatise says that the "doctrine of the aliens" is,

"a great deception upon the human soul, making it impossible for humans to find Nous, the self-liberating mind, and thus come to know true humanity."

What Gnostics meant by "the doctrine of the aliens" is the ensemble of beliefs at the core of Judaic and Christian religion - and, by extension, Islam.

All three of the "great world religions" derive from the revered Patriarch Abraham, thought to have lived around 1800 BCE.

Because the history of the ancient Hebrews is taken as exemplary or symbolic of humanity as a whole, our species' "sacred history" begins with Abraham, but Gnostics considered that Abraham was a dupe, the psychological "vector" for the intrusion of the Archons. In effect, they trashed the notion of a “Divine Plan” overseen by Jehovah, and exposed Judeo-Christian salvationism (the Redeemer Complex) as an extraterrestrial religion, alien to the Earth and hostile to human potential.

The Gnostic critique of the Redeemer Complex was devastating to the cherished beliefs of many people, and still is, but the teachers in the ancient Mysteries did not leave us without alternatives to these received beliefs. Gnostics taught what they embodied: the illuminist path of experimental mysticism, contrasted to blind belief in salvationist dogmas.

I just wonder what is the process of deciding you are a religious person (to a specific religion)? Do you feel something, is the book nice, you are enlisted from young age and go with the flow, or reach to a intimate conclusion that a specific religion meets your needs?

hitchhiker · 21-06-2009, 07:28 PM

I would no take gnostic assumptions so easily for granted, nor I would deviate the discussion about religion on gnostic grounds. I can recommend some readings before any other considerations, mainly Culianu's remarkable work in this field. What a pitty that he had to die for the inconvenient truths that he spoke ...

Getting back to the discussion, first I would be cautious about using the concept of Judeo-Christianism in this context; one cannot assume that these two religions (and their sacred books) are conceptually linked only because they are linked by some common historical events. This would only prove ignorance towards both religions.

Secondly, just remember that Christianity's permanent aim is to replace hate and violence (low emotions) by love and peace (high, superior, emotions). Wouldn't that be totally and openly against these Archons' plan? Wouldn't that leave them foodless, so to say? So, there is a logical contradiction in saying that Christianism is an invention of these Archons or whatever they are called...

PS And what does it mean "by extension, Islam"? On which grounds is this extension made? The way it is stated, it looks like nothing more than a hasty generalization.

I wouldn't need a special intuition in such cases, just a careful reading and a critical judgement.

klaatu · 22-06-2009, 06:03 PM

Regarding

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Christianity's permanent aim is to replace hate and violence (low emotions) by love and peace (high, superior, emotions)

unfortunately they did not manage to do it. You just need to look at BC history. Agree that in some locations very secluded, they manage to do it.

I think by extension Islam is linked to the fact that Islam religion is a continuation of Christian religion and has strong ties with it. It does not reject at all (for the ones that did not read it) as you can easily believe looking at current Islam occident conflict.

And a recent documentary about Islam open my mind more on this religion to the fact that official Islam (advertised and exported) is only representing a minority (most powerful that exists, not by accident) Wahabism I think is called. The rest of them are not agreeing with wholly war and other harsh punishments accepted in some countries.

Back to the theory I cannot see that in some way ore another religion was involved in all major wars (or started them) and only Budism (to my knowledge) has not spilled blood at any point in time. So judging very simple and in results, this theory has some points.

It seems religion even if has good intentions was used for private interest and usually violently. And also the interreligion conflicts ("our is better you must convert" is also a wrong human interpretation of the religion) plays important role in this. And look at current conflicts and the religion of both parties and you will understand what I mean.

klaatu · 22-06-2009, 06:04 PM

Regarding

Quote:

Christianity's permanent aim is to replace hate and violence (low emotions) by love and peace (high, superior, emotions)

unfortunately they did not manage to do it. You just need to look at BC history. Agree that in some locations very secluded, they manage to do it.

I think by extension Islam is linked to the fact that Islam religion is a continuation of Christian religion and has strong ties with it. It does not reject at all (for the ones that did not read it) as you can easily believe looking at current Islam occident conflict.

And a recent documentary about Islam open my mind more on this religion to the fact that official Islam (advertised and exported) is only representing a minority (most powerful that exists, not by accident) Wahabism I think is called. The rest of them are not agreeing with wholly war and other harsh punishments accepted in some countries.

Back to the theory I cannot see that in some way ore another religion was involved in all major wars (or started them) and only Budism (to my knowledge) has not spilled blood at any point in time. So judging very simple and in results, this theory has some points.

It seems religion even if has good intentions was used for private interest and usually violently. And also the interreligion conflicts ("our is better you must convert" is also a wrong human interpretation of the religion) plays important role in this. And look at current conflicts and the religion of both parties and you will understand what I mean.

Stardust · 03-07-2009, 09:52 AM

I guess (looking at geography) that vast majority of us have a Christianity background. So taking all above - don’t you afraid at some moments, that we might be miss lead by much greater source to abandon the divine direction showed in oldest rooted religion?.

there is said that before „end of times” new priests and many new religions will appear taking out people from real God. New Age (and channeling) is especially perceived as that kind of “wolfs”, as it takes out from the thinking upon God towards ‘we people are gods, upper beings” etc
the “open mind” thinking indeed has a short history, and it happens to started at the timing again being recalled by vast majority big religions as a time for biggest of mankind mind (even finishing of Aquarius eon can mean big shift of people’s thinking what can indicate exactly going away from God’s teaching)
IS-BE it doesn’t have one single roots (Seth, Ramtha, - they all represent totally different vision of who we are and what is the purpose of our living)
it’s not verified – actually you have to rely on wording of a one person. And although Bible has other disadvantages (which I recalled in Tea Time) at least it’s based on real historic people and places (king’s, Troy, founded Babilon etc).
it’s often refer to unjustified / not existing solutions – and can be easily explained its not verified because we are not yet advanced, and are left at very basic suggestions. The DNA 12 strings by Marciniak can actually be an example of how difficult and easy at the same point can be convincing there can be much more .. On one side it beautifully explains how would be possible to gain new level (12 strings is hell more than 2 and indeed can bring unimaginable sources for human “body”). On the other side its not even tried to explain why and how those strings shall work and its not brought by authors (Plejadians) “ imagine how 12 strings helices can looks like – we will not tell you how “psychically” on biological its possible to connect al of them – we will let you play with imagination” : for me it can mean as well the author has no idea how in reality it shall work.
its very easy to set up a new theory - probably if an Observer would have more writing skills he could set up another channeling story. There is already a good start with 3 dots on his power point images vs. real flying objects pictures. More blurred pictures = more space for imagination so at some point each can find something for himself seeing what he wants to see, and that’s why with time you can discover more & more fitting the same to your new connections (remember the play in guessing what shape is visible in clouds? How much you see is only a matter of imagination). I exaggerate a bit right now - but only to underline some point I lack the knowledge to really assess what might be potential true. Like we know it telomeres which shortage after each cell’s split decides finally upon cell’s death – and the only Qn is how to stop the shortening. But its already known and existing mechanism (we just do not know how to stop it) vs. “sudden” appearance of missing 10 dna strings .
it plays on common logic and lack of knowledge for verification - again I have not enough biological / chemical knowledge to proof 12 strings is a bsht from molecular POV or physic to really assess can fotons transfer an informations (that shall stimulate gaining new strings). Im lost even with some dates given at Golden Ages description or planet Niburu / Annunaki ancestors theory ( I simply don’t remember from history whether the time frame given as appoint of reference in old historical data indeed match the historical dates). Taking that it’s much logical to believe there can be new biblical live on Earth once it will be restored (we already know what to do to protect / reveal environment)
it is indeed often connected with some occultist activities (opens czakrams, use crystal spheres by Barbra Marciniak when they start channeling sessions with Pleiadians) – which always in old religions has been connected with simply forbidden occultism
they say and underline the importance of love, recalling only the best feeling we might experience following new route. I remember some talks with my grandma upon miracles made via either saint people or saint places / sanctuaries (like Lourdes, Fatima). So taking as a fact (if we believe in Bible) that there is said after Christ there shall be none miracle made anymore, and if there are one, they are not caused by divine’s will. So how easy devil can turn away people from one proper thinking (which is praying and believing to and in God and nothing else) - into something which is most condemned by Him - like praying to Saint Mary, and all other saints or cultivating saint places …And its so easily done because it is so hard to believe that something what turns at the end into good (like proven medical examples of healing, or felt “peace of mind” when gathering at such holy places or holy paintings / sculptures etc) - can have background in deepest source of evil. Because at the end it turns people to pray / glorify something apart God – like “saint” places, new saint’s reveals like “saint Mary of sick one”, “saint Mary of drunker”’, “holly picture of father Pio”, etc

So how to explain what is undoubtedly the phenomenon and so huge interest in UFO? In the literature I found two very interesting theories but I think it is hard to accept them until the end. Jung school of psychiatrists believe that encoded archetypy eternal in the human psyche takes form of extraterrestrials nowadays. Once people foresighted a poltergeist, witches, and all kind of “being” from legends you can surely find in your country fairytales, than in an era of technical civilization they come in a form of, extraterrestrials.

In much the same way the problem is treated Orthodox theologian Fr Serfin Rose claiming that aliens are simply demons leading people into temptation. `According to Rose and the Christian in modern world people are completely defenseless against the “evil” taking form of extraterrestrials.

Personally, I do not have confidence or to Jung’s version of psychoanalysis, nor to Orthodox demonology Rose `a. It is, however, both these concepts to analyze because they contain a reasonable point.

Namely, they assume that the IS-BE phenomenon should be classified as the same occultist phenomena such as "extended perception", or shamanism. In today's world everything has to be a huge success, in any bookshops we can find a dozens of positions on this matter and the psychiatric hospitals are actually full of people who believe in these and destroyed to some level own psyche. Interestingly, as far as withdrawal of Christianity we can observe allegedly growing demand for all kinds of “magic”, which has been consistently opposed by all the churches.

Of course all my above thinking can be actually a proof how well ‘religion trap” is established in our mind to not allow see the truth (proving the fact how religion has being nurtured by persons from another world, works not for the betterment of humanity, but for its enslavement).

BUT – what if our open mind is an actual invitation for “evil” forces to create madness that can be quite creepy isn’t ?

And frankly speaking that terrifies me. I Am terrified with the deepness of the smartness in such move, as well how vulnerable we are, being in fact not able at any point of time to differentiate where stops our "mind openess"and start opening mind for madness. And that explanation at “judgment day “ (whatever the for of it might be) that "I just wanted to keep a mind open" will be not enough assuming divine intrevention was the correct one.

klaatu · 03-07-2009, 03:20 PM

I would take out terrifying from my mind since merely the thought of it can produce it.
Open mind is completing common sense (or it should) thus no reason for fear.

Common sense should not be replaced by some rules given from the top of the mountain to some few people, or any other situation. Religion has an important role in our life to tell us about what we cannot see and know. It is also used as moral standard, but unfortunately religion (as an institution) has been abused so many times you cannot count for various shady reasons.

Promoting fear of god, fear of ... is not acceptable anymore.
Is time to really open our mind.

Stardust · 03-07-2009, 10:48 PM

well, religiona officialy doesn't promote "fear"- they make warning against unexcepted behaviour. Whether u will follow that warning is our personal choice.. And i smply "affraid" wheather the choice of not obeying some principles by looking around for some other explanations, will be the correct one...

and with all respect - the problem is still i don't find "common sense" in all i recently read ;], and all other theories actualy are still given in a way "from top of mountain to one preson"... at least Bible God has spoken to many people...chanelling IB-ES usually stick to one medium...

klaatu · 03-07-2009, 11:16 PM

Bible has not spoken to many people. It was changed by many (later on) and it was delivered to different persons (actually being a compilation).
Moise come from the mountain and has shown the 10 commandments received in private on the mountain.
Qua ran was delivered to Mohamed in a personal manner.
Most of religious events except miracles witnessed by many people are personal experiences. Thus in the same category as channeling.

And fear is mentioned and promoted by religion (and I am referring to Christianity) as in Taoism, Budism ... there is no mention about fearing something.

Is an observation is not advertising Budism. I do believe Christianity has allot to offer but not in the way is currently promoted and officially accepted.
Or maybe is time for something more than religion ...

hitchhiker · 31-07-2009, 12:11 AM

A small remark: religion is not the same thing as Church. Religion is a set of beliefs, usually based on some sacred knowledge that is considered to be of divine origin. Church is an institution, lead by humans. So, it not correct to say that the Christian religion has promoted injustice, war, Inquisition etc. It was the Church and, to be correct again, not the entire Church (or community), but some people (unfortunately leaders) from the Church institution.

Otherwise, it's like saying that the Koran or Islam are to blame for 9/11...

03-07-2009, 09:52 AM	#5
Stardust Member Skeptic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: best middle part of the Europe where people speaks my native language :) Posts: 78 Time Online: 2 h 32 m Thanks: 3 Thx 8 Times in 8 Posts	I guess (looking at geography) that vast majority of us have a Christianity background. So taking all above - don’t you afraid at some moments, that we might be miss lead by much greater source to abandon the divine direction showed in oldest rooted religion?. there is said that before „end of times” new priests and many new religions will appear taking out people from real God. New Age (and channeling) is especially perceived as that kind of “wolfs”, as it takes out from the thinking upon God towards ‘we people are gods, upper beings” etc the “open mind” thinking indeed has a short history, and it happens to started at the timing again being recalled by vast majority big religions as a time for biggest of mankind mind (even finishing of Aquarius eon can mean big shift of people’s thinking what can indicate exactly going away from God’s teaching) IS-BE it doesn’t have one single roots (Seth, Ramtha, - they all represent totally different vision of who we are and what is the purpose of our living) it’s not verified – actually you have to rely on wording of a one person. And although Bible has other disadvantages (which I recalled in Tea Time) at least it’s based on real historic people and places (king’s, Troy, founded Babilon etc). it’s often refer to unjustified / not existing solutions – and can be easily explained its not verified because we are not yet advanced, and are left at very basic suggestions. The DNA 12 strings by Marciniak can actually be an example of how difficult and easy at the same point can be convincing there can be much more .. On one side it beautifully explains how would be possible to gain new level (12 strings is hell more than 2 and indeed can bring unimaginable sources for human “body”). On the other side its not even tried to explain why and how those strings shall work and its not brought by authors (Plejadians) “ imagine how 12 strings helices can looks like – we will not tell you how “psychically” on biological its possible to connect al of them – we will let you play with imagination” : for me it can mean as well the author has no idea how in reality it shall work. its very easy to set up a new theory - probably if an Observer would have more writing skills he could set up another channeling story. There is already a good start with 3 dots on his power point images vs. real flying objects pictures. More blurred pictures = more space for imagination so at some point each can find something for himself seeing what he wants to see, and that’s why with time you can discover more & more fitting the same to your new connections (remember the play in guessing what shape is visible in clouds? How much you see is only a matter of imagination). I exaggerate a bit right now - but only to underline some point I lack the knowledge to really assess what might be potential true. Like we know it telomeres which shortage after each cell’s split decides finally upon cell’s death – and the only Qn is how to stop the shortening. But its already known and existing mechanism (we just do not know how to stop it) vs. “sudden” appearance of missing 10 dna strings . it plays on common logic and lack of knowledge for verification - again I have not enough biological / chemical knowledge to proof 12 strings is a bsht from molecular POV or physic to really assess can fotons transfer an informations (that shall stimulate gaining new strings). Im lost even with some dates given at Golden Ages description or planet Niburu / Annunaki ancestors theory ( I simply don’t remember from history whether the time frame given as appoint of reference in old historical data indeed match the historical dates). Taking that it’s much logical to believe there can be new biblical live on Earth once it will be restored (we already know what to do to protect / reveal environment) it is indeed often connected with some occultist activities (opens czakrams, use crystal spheres by Barbra Marciniak when they start channeling sessions with Pleiadians) – which always in old religions has been connected with simply forbidden occultism they say and underline the importance of love, recalling only the best feeling we might experience following new route. I remember some talks with my grandma upon miracles made via either saint people or saint places / sanctuaries (like Lourdes, Fatima). So taking as a fact (if we believe in Bible) that there is said after Christ there shall be none miracle made anymore, and if there are one, they are not caused by divine’s will. So how easy devil can turn away people from one proper thinking (which is praying and believing to and in God and nothing else) - into something which is most condemned by Him - like praying to Saint Mary, and all other saints or cultivating saint places …And its so easily done because it is so hard to believe that something what turns at the end into good (like proven medical examples of healing, or felt “peace of mind” when gathering at such holy places or holy paintings / sculptures etc) - can have background in deepest source of evil. Because at the end it turns people to pray / glorify something apart God – like “saint” places, new saint’s reveals like “saint Mary of sick one”, “saint Mary of drunker”’, “holly picture of father Pio”, etc So how to explain what is undoubtedly the phenomenon and so huge interest in UFO? In the literature I found two very interesting theories but I think it is hard to accept them until the end. Jung school of psychiatrists believe that encoded archetypy eternal in the human psyche takes form of extraterrestrials nowadays. Once people foresighted a poltergeist, witches, and all kind of “being” from legends you can surely find in your country fairytales, than in an era of technical civilization they come in a form of, extraterrestrials. In much the same way the problem is treated Orthodox theologian Fr Serfin Rose claiming that aliens are simply demons leading people into temptation. `According to Rose and the Christian in modern world people are completely defenseless against the “evil” taking form of extraterrestrials. Personally, I do not have confidence or to Jung’s version of psychoanalysis, nor to Orthodox demonology Rose `a. It is, however, both these concepts to analyze because they contain a reasonable point. Namely, they assume that the IS-BE phenomenon should be classified as the same occultist phenomena such as "extended perception", or shamanism. In today's world everything has to be a huge success, in any bookshops we can find a dozens of positions on this matter and the psychiatric hospitals are actually full of people who believe in these and destroyed to some level own psyche. Interestingly, as far as withdrawal of Christianity we can observe allegedly growing demand for all kinds of “magic”, which has been consistently opposed by all the churches. Of course all my above thinking can be actually a proof how well ‘religion trap” is established in our mind to not allow see the truth (proving the fact how religion has being nurtured by persons from another world, works not for the betterment of humanity, but for its enslavement). BUT – what if our open mind is an actual invitation for “evil” forces to create madness that can be quite creepy isn’t ? And frankly speaking that terrifies me. I Am terrified with the deepness of the smartness in such move, as well how vulnerable we are, being in fact not able at any point of time to differentiate where stops our "mind openess"and start opening mind for madness. And that explanation at “judgment day “ (whatever the for of it might be) that "I just wanted to keep a mind open" will be not enough assuming divine intrevention was the correct one. __________________ "Imagine there is no countries, it isn't hard to do, nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too..." Last edited by Stardust; 03-07-2009 at 10:01 AM.

03-07-2009, 03:20 PM	#6
klaatu Vox Moderator Human Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 199 Time Online: 3 h 22 m Thanks: 8 Thx 18 Times in 18 Posts	I would take out terrifying from my mind since merely the thought of it can produce it. Open mind is completing common sense (or it should) thus no reason for fear. Common sense should not be replaced by some rules given from the top of the mountain to some few people, or any other situation. Religion has an important role in our life to tell us about what we cannot see and know. It is also used as moral standard, but unfortunately religion (as an institution) has been abused so many times you cannot count for various shady reasons. Promoting fear of god, fear of ... is not acceptable anymore. Is time to really open our mind. __________________ "Unless we have come to know what is correct, we cannot perceive what is incorrect." Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

03-07-2009, 10:48 PM	#7
Stardust Member Skeptic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: best middle part of the Europe where people speaks my native language :) Posts: 78 Time Online: 2 h 32 m Thanks: 3 Thx 8 Times in 8 Posts	well, religiona officialy doesn't promote "fear"- they make warning against unexcepted behaviour. Whether u will follow that warning is our personal choice.. And i smply "affraid" wheather the choice of not obeying some principles by looking around for some other explanations, will be the correct one... and with all respect - the problem is still i don't find "common sense" in all i recently read ;], and all other theories actualy are still given in a way "from top of mountain to one preson"... at least Bible God has spoken to many people...chanelling IB-ES usually stick to one medium... __________________ "Imagine there is no countries, it isn't hard to do, nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too..."

03-07-2009, 11:16 PM	#8
klaatu Vox Moderator Human Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 199 Time Online: 3 h 22 m Thanks: 8 Thx 18 Times in 18 Posts	Bible has not spoken to many people. It was changed by many (later on) and it was delivered to different persons (actually being a compilation). Moise come from the mountain and has shown the 10 commandments received in private on the mountain. Qua ran was delivered to Mohamed in a personal manner. Most of religious events except miracles witnessed by many people are personal experiences. Thus in the same category as channeling. And fear is mentioned and promoted by religion (and I am referring to Christianity) as in Taoism, Budism ... there is no mention about fearing something. Is an observation is not advertising Budism. I do believe Christianity has allot to offer but not in the way is currently promoted and officially accepted. Or maybe is time for something more than religion ... __________________ "Unless we have come to know what is correct, we cannot perceive what is incorrect." Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

21-06-2009, 07:28 PM	#2
hitchhiker Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 15 Time Online: N/A Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I would no take gnostic assumptions so easily for granted, nor I would deviate the discussion about religion on gnostic grounds. I can recommend some readings before any other considerations, mainly Culianu's remarkable work in this field. What a pitty that he had to die for the inconvenient truths that he spoke ... Getting back to the discussion, first I would be cautious about using the concept of Judeo-Christianism in this context; one cannot assume that these two religions (and their sacred books) are conceptually linked only because they are linked by some common historical events. This would only prove ignorance towards both religions. Secondly, just remember that Christianity's permanent aim is to replace hate and violence (low emotions) by love and peace (high, superior, emotions). Wouldn't that be totally and openly against these Archons' plan? Wouldn't that leave them foodless, so to say? So, there is a logical contradiction in saying that Christianism is an invention of these Archons or whatever they are called... PS And what does it mean "by extension, Islam"? On which grounds is this extension made? The way it is stated, it looks like nothing more than a hasty generalization. I wouldn't need a special intuition in such cases, just a careful reading and a critical judgement.

31-07-2009, 12:11 AM	#9
hitchhiker Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 15 Time Online: N/A Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	A small remark: religion is not the same thing as Church. Religion is a set of beliefs, usually based on some sacred knowledge that is considered to be of divine origin. Church is an institution, lead by humans. So, it not correct to say that the Christian religion has promoted injustice, war, Inquisition etc. It was the Church and, to be correct again, not the entire Church (or community), but some people (unfortunately leaders) from the Church institution. Otherwise, it's like saying that the Koran or Islam are to blame for 9/11...