klaatu

Well after some search I have clear my opinion regarding 2012 deal. All started from evidence coming from Mayan calendar that is ending on this date. What is the sensible thing to do? Search regarding this initial evidence to find if it is real or not.

All additional support facts added after are only speculations, Mayan calendar being the hard evidence for 2012.

Lets role the quote :

The quote is from here
More argumentation from expert you can find here too.

So it seems is the same thing as with 2000 year change. In Mayan calendar December 21st 2012 will be 13.0.0.0.0

Do we get windows 13.0.0.0.0 (2012) proof safe?

If other changes will come around this date they will ave other reasons and motivations. And if this will happen then will be pure accident.

Observer

Strange you're writing this. Have you seen the video clips you posted in your crop circle vox? There was one crop circle depicting the Maya calendar, and another depicting the solar system planet positions at the time of Dec 21, 2012. Doesn't that worry you?

klaatu

Hy and welcome to VA
Calendar is not ending but it show a unusual planet position for that date and numbering is unusual.
In general I don't worry too much but I like to be prepared.

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Stardust

I was looking on the album of Klatuu's crop circles, and to read more upon the background of them in context of communicated world end.

Some of theories say that crop circles is a reflection of return of Annunaki (I guess u are familiar with), with some hint like they will come back with intention of human extermination. Rationale is explored through possible Anunnaki objections to and concerns about human activities on the Earth.

The “nice part”of this history is that it explains why a "missing link" will never be found between homo erectus and homo sapiens (simply because of genetic play by Anunakis).

But what is trigging me this theory says Anunaki will come back (and tried in past) to wipe humans off the face of the Earth

Now - IF some one wish to exterminate humanity why shout about is so loud, taking as a fact that crop circles are the directions and communication when the return is to be made?

They created ADAMAS to help them working as a gold miners...and were working on gold mining some…400 000 year. So what is the reason for return? Probably not for a gold (because they were mining this according to some official calendar of Annunakis history so many years, I bet not many left + currently available gold in vast majority already held at Fort Knox – one good robbery and they are done, no need to wiping us off ).

The oldest crop as far as learned is from 1937 – but with amazing cases appearing over the last decade… what was in between? Why only recent decade is so huge concentration of signs – and why mostly at specific places?....

Regardless kind of messages - why its made on grain field? If the message is so important shall be made probably on more solid ground. And what are really pictograms showing? We are so well educated, to the extensions somebody “made up “really convincing story over civilization from Nibiru, yet only couple pictograms has an explanation.

And I’m not calculating the one which are copy - paste of our messages into space (like human genome, solar system, or even Mayan or Summerian calendars). Plus some of them are obvious fun (ant, smiley face etc)

Actually I believe there are many fancy toys from military area that has been used prior to making aware wider humanity (internet, etc) … So - maybe simply somebody has a good fun and laugh. Or there is internal contest for new way of art.

And my immortal Qn :] – if we are more then we think, like IB-ES, how to link this Anunaki hi-story? as according to it – we are modification of more advanced beeings from Nibiru – but beeing which were for sure “flesh & bone” one (and very egoistic from what I read).

Last but not least – with all this “intellectual mess” upon 2012 (and 2010 showing sometimes as well), crop circles and Anunakis I found one phrase I take home:

“The US Government has been busy preparing for 2012 problems. They intend on only saving a few lives, particularly those they deem viable, which does not include me or you. It is this behavior that has brought down the houses of old since the Sumerian times.”

I buy this by whole heart, so I follow Klatuu's no worry, and go to enjoy the life till whatever moment I will be allowed to J

cheers!

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klaatu

Crop circles are (in part) man made. It was admited by some. In some of them you can see that grain dispersion is irregular. Some of them are very regular and according to wikipedia has also some magnetic metal residue equally dispersed. So some can be genuine messages as other are hoaxes.

Now being signs of Anunaki return in Independance day style is kind of stupid as you want to come as a surprize. Or maybe messages are encoded for agents already present here to be prepared.

I stated in the beggining of VA that if violent race will come to wipe us the indeed our talk will be futile. Maybe we come to be more prepared or have better knowlege at hand for better chance for survival. But let us worry then if it is the case.

Some of the books I have read prepare us for the worst (in the sense of: be tough sht will come and after is Golden Age) but I chose to follow the 10/90 rule : 10 % in life you cannot influence (alien invation being one of them) but the rest of 90% of your life is how you react to it and you are in total control of this part.

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Stardust

fair points that some of them for sure are hand made, yet i haven't found which one are, or were, a matter of serious investigations by scientifists... maybe someone could share examples which are with proven logic behind, or intresting from the meaning POV.... those from album are too many to really pickup the "nugget" ..and also as far as i see there is already special collections of albums devoted only to crops, and without description what potentially it can mean...

and is there any systems discovered in appearings? like they are some crops binded / linked, and all together there is any sequence of crops which represents some longer solid messages?

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klaatu

Possible reasons for crop circles are many, from top of my mind
- fame for local people (for man made crop circles)
- mandala type of messages from higher dimensions meant to rise our vibrations level or to help our enlightenment (or to stop it)
- Pizza menu for 2012 delivery
- unlikely to be signs for future invasion (as you generally want to invasions to be a surprise )
- contact messages for a far alien civilization (or from other dimension) to say hello using mathematics (universal language)
- earth soul trying to say stop littering

The figures appear very mathematical in nature. Ssurprisingly, high level mathematics can be found in nature (see Fibonacci numbers in nature).

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hitchhiker

I fear not what 2012 might bring, but I fear what humans' expectations about 2012 might bring...You don't have to be an alien to use this against many...

Stardust

great point...

Although still there is a hard proof we are leaving in different mentality (so quoting some other perspective from your post regarding we still might welocme some "aliens" as gods") -as even in front of 2012 is see more downearth, business approach thinking

As you know you can buy alraedy safe parcels in Afrika in RPA farms called "Perfect Vision" being sold by Patrcik Greyl (the one who wrote 3 books upon catastrofy in 2012).

It's already much far away from behaviours people presented still not so long time ago by selling houses in order of preparing for Apocalypsa ("Jahve Watchers" in beginning of fifties).

So - maybe lets spend some bucks and buy some stock of ground for VA members if nothing happens we will have at least interesting spot for a live meeting . If something will happen indeed and we will survive there - well, that will be hard evidance we got the gold membershing in top class VA club

"Perfect Vision": a farm located in the South African Dragon Mountains. Geryl and confessors of his apocalyptics believe that is where they can survive the destruction. Land with an area of 200 hectares, situated at an altitude of 1,900 to 2,700 m above sea level, has become the new "Noah's Ark". For now, the whole farm to unfinished house and a few water wells with pumps and Geryl and his colleagues are at the stage of agreeing the formal conditions of purchase of land. The plans present themselves, however impressive.

100% safe business - U CAN SELL SHARES AFTER the Holocaust .
In accordance with the provisions in force, in South Africa, in "Perfect Vision" will be possible to build 26 residential buildings that have rooms around 150 people. To all who wish to permanently settle in the Dragon Mountains, Geryl promises to place in the "Hobbit Houses" - steel containers, coming up to eight people which are made from bags in a heap of sand, covered with earth and planted with natural grass. A more demanding can buy organic solar house powered by batteries with an area of 78 square meters.

The residents of "Perfect Vision", pending the imminent deal with pottery, weaving, paper-making, breeding hens, geese, sheep, horses, and Lam, cultivation of vegetables and cereals, and support of tourists (<LOL> from where they take?)

Stocks in time will be collected in the destruction made of steel and reinforced concrete bunkers. Where on earth hell will be, bunkers could also be used as residential property.

What can I do to get access to "Perfect Vision"?

Pay 5M Euro per one share, giving an adult encampment to breakdowns, arrival of the caravan and use throughout the site offers, including renting a cabin or other place of accommodation. Buying a place in the "Hobbit House" "cost an additional 700. The whole container can have on residential property of 5.5 per thousand. Euro and ecological house for 20 thousand. Euro. The cost of construction of bunkers and stockpiling have not been estimated.

BE careful of the "local law": any resident of "Perfect Vision" will have to pay for the operation of joint facilities and accept Geryla as absolute ruler of a new "Noah's ark."

The shares can always be sold, but - interestingly - if the sale occurs before 2014, their price will be reduced by 10 percent of administrative costs. After that date, the shares will be sold at market price. Question: to whom, as the world awaits destruction. It clearly points that Geryl does not believe in his prophecies, but chapeau bas! For his idea turned into business action J

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Observer

Hey, how about the Alps? Twice as high, and much more affordable ... and no head honcho ...

klaatu

Message from the Mayan Elders - February, 2006
Saturday, February 11 2006
Contributed by: Admin by Carlos Barrios

A lot has been said about this time, about the prophecies given by ancient wise visionary men. Some of the prophecies have been kept on secret books, some have been transmitted in a verbal way, others have risen in a series of books, documentaries, articles in magazines, newspapers and especially on the Internet. Some are extremely alarming, others have no basis and many are based on the Prophecies of the Great Traditions. All of them point out the prophetical times, as the Wise Chi Mam Maya, Don Pascual liked to call them.

All this information has wakened the interest of millions of people, but it has also created a lot of confusion and fear, since the date of December 21 of 2012 has been used as the date of the end of the World. However, this date points out the beginning of a new cycle, which is marked in the tradition of the Mayan Elders as a time of harmony and spiritual growing, this cycle is called the FIFTH SUN and each of the previous ones lasted 5,200 years.

The first cycle was of a feminine energy and fire was the element that ruled it.

The second cycle was of a masculine energy and earth was the element that ruled it.

The third cycle was of a feminine energy and air was the element that ruled it.

The fourth cycle was of a masculine energy and water was the element that ruled it.

The fifth cycle is of harmony between the masculine and feminine energy and the element that will rule it will be ether.

Each of these cycles last 5,200 years and they have been affected by the polarity of the masculine or feminine energy and of course they have also been affected by the elements. Today we are at the door of the end of the fourth cycle, which ends on December 20th of 2012, six years from now. During these six years we will be witnesses to the confrontation of the Negative and Positive forces, the eternal fight amongst polarity, the fight between the Eternal Fire and the Eternal Ice, as the Great Masters have named it, rough and magical times, prophetic times, as the Master, Don Pascual, would have said.

We do not have to close our eyes to be able to see who is dominating at this time, unlike of the Beings of Light, on the other side there is no doubt of who the boss is and no one argues about the grades of power, they work with an effectiveness, so effective that some of them even manage to appear as Warriors of Light.

The opposite happens with the Warriors of Light, because unfortunately most of them are spellbound with their Ego, convinced that they are the best and the carriers of the Truth, but they are only interested on their fight for power, fame and their excessive fondness for economical wealth.

Someone has to raise the Torch of Light and create consciousness; these leaders have to come back to their path. They have to find their path once again and assume the responsibility that was given to them at the time they received their grade of guide and the magical power that accompanies them, this is the calling of the Ancient Mayan Elders, of which the doors to build up our destiny are open...

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klaatu

A new view, also not doomsday one.

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klaatu

A graphical view of Mayan Calendar:
Mayan Majix - Learning Lab

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presynaras

Guys, we are talking about 2012, there is a group predicting the end of the world in 2011 may. Any thoughts on that? I personally think that the world will not end, but alien contact will be made. How cool will that be?

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Stardust

End of the World postponed


End of the world will not happen in 2012 - as he had expected the Mayan calendar. But this is not the Mayans were wrong, but the scientists interpreting the calendar.

Destruction will take place over 100 years later. With such argument come up brothers Bohumil and Vladimir Bohm, both professors, the first - in mathematics, the second - the history of Spain and Latin America. The two researchers are connected with the University of Dresden. Their argument has published a German magazine, "Astronomische Nachrichten.

The main problem came as usually - due to the complexity J

The system of measuring time in the Maya was very complicated.. Cycle, which is a ritual calendar, included 260 days of, farming - for 365 days, while the Great Cycle - 1 872 000 days. Using these calendars were complex, while in the culture that was attached to the modern man unimaginable importance to, numbers and dates.

Decades, researchers are working to correlate the Mayan calendar with the Gregorian calendar, which is our (made him Pope Gregory XIII in 1582). According to their calculations, the beginning of the current cycle of the Mayan falls on August 13, 3114 years before Christ, and end on 21 December 2012.

This date got loud in the media late last year. It marks the end of the fourth cycle, so end of Fourth World. Three previous cycles worlds ended as / via major disasters. This time, after the fourth cycle, there should be a catastrophe too. The world will disappear in the old form, but not entirely, re-borning again in the fifth cycle, and it will face then a final, ultimate END (unless somebody yet again miss-interpreted or miss-calculated something J )

But this is only a few thousand years (yeah!). Closer to us end, according to scientific calculations, had to fall next year. But it turned out - so say the professors Bohumil and Vladimir Bohm - that there was a scientific mistake.

Comes from the fact that it is very difficult to correlate the dates according to the ritual of the Mayan calendar and the Gregorian solar calendar. According to researchers, a mistake happened half a century ago, when the English archaeologist John Eric Sidney Thompson, world-renowned expert on Mayan culture, correlated with our calendar, not including breaks, which occurred in the use of the Mayan calendar. The reason for this break was the occupation of temples by the tribes who came from Yucatan in the thirteenth century.

Professors Bohumil and Vladimir Bohm revised the the mistake. They worked on the basis of the so-called Dresden Codex, the original handwritten document written in Mayan half of the thirteenth century (probably an older copy of a document from the ninth century).

The result of their work is optimistic in terms of the present generation: the end of our world, or the fourth cycle, there will be only 2116 years.

So - cheer up folks! It’s still worthy to make plans for your future J (bad I will have to pay the loean I took thinking I will don’t have worry with debts for long )

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